Hiro Antagonist ([info]hiro_antagonist) wrote,
@ 2009-10-09 00:56:00
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Suburbia


I'm not quite certain why I hate suburbia so. It's certainly fashionable to do so these days, though usually that's enough to make me stop doing something right there.

Fashionable or not, there is just sort of a soul-rending feeling that 'Suburbia' with a capital 'S' gives me. Communities should grow and accrete in an organic fashion. Rows of identical houses that spring up overnight, same size plot, same size lawn, same size family - these things disturb me. It's certainly artificial enough to land well within the realm of the uncanny valley, and perhaps that's at the heart of it.

I grew up in an old city, a little over 200 years of age. Which in America makes it the equivalent of growing up right next to the pyramids at Giza. That has a certain psychological effect on a human. What you take to be natural are streets the width of two horse-drawn carriages. And alleys the width of one. Every alley is that width. You don't know why till much later, but in my mind, it's the proper width for an alley to this day still.

Save in the downtown area, streets aren't in terribly exact grids. Or as is the fashion these days, gently rounding curves that only have one tie to reality - the turning radius of a car. The houses and avenues follow the land, more than the land being shaped so every yard has the same exact slope, and the streets are so level you could teleport from one road to the one furthest away in the neighborhood and not stumble as you set your foot down.

With such an incredibly artificial environment as the one presented by Suburbia, you start to have doubts about the sort of people who'd willingly live there - are they just as artificial as the 'neighborhood'? In all honesty, they're probably not - a safe place to live for a decent price, not far from work. The rest doesn't matter terribly much to them, I suspect. Whatever terrors besiege them in the night, the artificiality of their neighborhood isn't one of them.

Lucky bastards.



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[info]laviemoderne
2009-10-09 06:38 am UTC (link)
I loathe and despise suburbia. I don't like California for largely that reason- most of it looked like just absolute suburban hell of overcrowdedness where everything looks the same...blah

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-09 07:17 am UTC (link)
Yeah, considering the post WWII boom, not that surprising. But still, eww.

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[info]laviemoderne
2009-10-09 08:09 am UTC (link)
Very, VERY eww.

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[info]ehowton
2009-10-09 06:44 am UTC (link)
a safe place to live for a decent price, not far from work. The rest doesn't matter terribly much

That's it exactly. Also - I've lived in many houses which were quite old, and there's something to be said for 2200 square feet of living space on a single floor - hard to get in an older home. Or things like, "modern insulation" which lets you keep the house at 71-degrees without costing you $600 a month...yes, I've had to pay that in an older home. And I can't even describe how much more I prefer my slab to my pier & beam house. When I was a kid my brother and I had to stand around a small gas heater to stay warm - this house - I kid you not, evenly distributes heat throughout the house, automatically when its cold out. AMAZING!

I had a 150-mile commute for five years because I wanted the big house out in the country. So I can now say with the authority of experience, FUCK THAT. I drive exactly eight minutes now. Suburbia? YES PLEASE!

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-09 07:09 am UTC (link)
150 mile commute? You crazy mon!

And old houses do have their disadvantages, especially if you live in an area with extremes of temperature in one direction or the other.

Lots of floor space is definitely a big plus too.

I just wish no two houses in the same neighborhood could be mistaken for each other if you had a split-second glance of them.

One-off houses cost more than the same one duplicated a thousand times, I wonder if it's so much more that it's prohibitive for people's house-buying budget though.

And uniform plot sizes, lawn sizes and Borg-style road layout can simply die in a fire.

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[info]ehowton
2009-10-09 07:26 am UTC (link)
And uniform plot sizes, lawn sizes and Borg-style road layout can simply die in a fire.
Indeed they can. Reminds me of an Tim Burton film.

One-off houses cost more than the same one duplicated a thousand times, I wonder if it's so much more that it's prohibitive for people's house-buying budget though.
Our house in Boyd was a custom home and MAGNIFICENT by comparison. 1900 sq/ft we paid $145k for. This house is a 2200 cookie-cutter and we paid $154.

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-09 07:30 am UTC (link)
So customization is perhaps not all that expensive?

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[info]ehowton
2009-10-09 07:31 am UTC (link)
Location, Location, Location! (And let's not forget economy). You too could have a custom home for cheap if you want to drive 75 miles any one direction.

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-09 07:36 am UTC (link)
Having driven a half hour commute every day for my second job, 30-40 miles isn't too bad. 75... Hrmmm...

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[info]ehowton
2009-10-09 07:43 am UTC (link)
That's what I thought when I moved. "Hell, I already drive 45 minutes, what's another half hour? I now know the answer to that. Its the difference between night and day, life and death, heaven and hell. You think you lose a piece of your soul in Suburbia? Maybe, but not as much as is lost out on that long road. Or in traffic.

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-09 08:42 am UTC (link)
Dallas traffic tends to turn me from a nice, calm person into a seething ball of frustration. I can't imagine more than an hour in that every weekday and remaining human for very long.

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[info]equiraptor
2009-10-09 01:22 pm UTC (link)
I just wish no two houses in the same neighborhood could be mistaken for each other if you had a split-second glance of them.

I'd like to make a note about this. This phenomenon of "multiple houses on a street stamped out from a single design" is definitely not a new thing. The house I'm currently living in was built in 1935. It has some features that seem pretty neat to us, like the rounded front door and arches. But as I look up and down the street, I see that front door over and over again. I see two or three front doors, two or three "left of the door," two or three "right of the door." Sometimes they're put together differently, sometimes very much the same. It's very similar to our previous neighborhood, built in the early 2000s, where you can tell each house was built by the same builder from just a few potential plans.

As the houses here are 70 years old, many have been modified in various ways. The yards have been customized, the fronts painted (yes, we have red brick painted grey), various other bits have been done here and there. Still, our house has a twin just down the street, right down to the painted-grey-brick. The one thing the twin is missing is the red door!

I'm not sure what, exactly, my point is. Perhaps it's, "This isn't a new phenomenon, we'll survive it." Perhaps it's, "Yeah, the houses are all cookie cutter now, but people will be adding their own touches as time goes on and it'll get better." I've certainly found my time in this neighborhood illuminating.

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-10 05:39 am UTC (link)
Sure, plan houses aren't a 90's invention. Architecturally speaking, factories created plan housing for their employees as early as 1835, and there's still quite a few of those that date back to 1910-1920 back in my home city.

Post-WWII really saw an explosion of it though, and it's been a nasty trend ever since. And true, over time, those houses become less identical as people change them bit by bit.

The housing bubble is perhaps what made it so blatant to me, and I'm a bit of an architectural nerd, so I might be more distraught over it than your average Joe heh.

I think there's room for an architectural revolution though, one that involves people not living in identical spaces. Fuck LeCorbusier and his 'machines for living' shit. Viva la revolucion!

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-09 07:10 am UTC (link)
Darn shame about your parent's 4th home, minus the front pillars, reminds me a lot of the one I grew up in.

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[info]ehowton
2009-10-09 07:27 am UTC (link)
That house always reminded me of the Deep South.

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-09 07:30 am UTC (link)
Those front pillars definitely give it that look!

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[info]crazy_female
2009-10-09 12:15 pm UTC (link)
Honestly I've never seen a suburban area like that here in Montreal.. Every house is usually different, may be similar but nothing like that picture.. and we have laws for how close houses can be next to eachother and they're defiantly not that close.. but not that far either.

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-10 05:40 am UTC (link)
Montreal is a fairly sizable place though. Are there any areas around there undergoing rapid development though?

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Depends on the age of the suburb
[info]tricstmr
2009-10-09 07:31 pm UTC (link)
I grew up in Evanston. It is a "suburb" of Chicago--the first one north of Chicago along Lake Michigan. However, it was founded in the 1860's. It's its own city with its own downtown, but it is also connected to Chicago through the continuation of the "L" (elevated train line) all through Evanston.

It has mostly grid streets, but the houses are mostly different on each block.

So.. is this suburbia? or not?

In any case--the only question I would put to you is about your use of "artificial" as a designation for Suburbs vs City. Cities are not organic. They were stamped out the the ground in just as artificial a way as the suburbs were. It's just that with age, much of the origins have been ripped up and remolded and changed so often that there are numerous differently aged buildings next to each other.

All of it is unnatural (or equally natural, depending on whether you think humans are part of nature).. and the only difference in the "organic" quality of it is in the age of it. Wait 100 years and see if these suburbs are any less organic than the cities you are talking about now.

This is not to say that I think far west suburbs of Chicago (which fit your description) are places I would want to live.. I like my people packed closer together.. but I still find them more comforting than the numerous small towns of 5000 people that "old" and have all these unique houses in them, but are bat-shit scary in so many ways that matter..

anyway.. just some thoughts from up north here..

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Re: Depends on the age of the suburb
[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-10 05:50 am UTC (link)
Urban sprawl turns cities smaller than the main one into suburbs. This is something you see all around Dallas heh.

Suburbia with a capital 'S', in my mind, reflects the extremely artificial neighborhoods. It's more of a degree thing than yes or no.

Growth over time renders a place more organic than artificial. A place that springs up over the course of a few months, an adult from the womb, reeks of artificiality.

And true, we could all just live in trees - houses are artificial things. Some more than others though, and that goes for neighborhoods too.

Small towns out here in Texas can definitely give one the 'Wow, this place looks like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre could happen here!' vibe.

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[info]cimmeriantower
2009-10-09 09:49 pm UTC (link)
I live in a young city, which is essentially massive urban sprawl. Some filmmakers from here produced an award winning documentary called Raidant City set in Calgary, but applies to pretty much any city in North America. Check it out if you're interested in the topic. Here's a clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9PqAFzdAmI

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-10 05:53 am UTC (link)
Wow. Yeah, that's it right there! *shudder*

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[info]j_d0e
2009-10-10 01:00 am UTC (link)
So much of society is like that today with artificiality spreading to every aspect of life.

I notice it the most in the architecture. I miss the ornate buildings of the past with delicate woodcarvings and earthy materials. Nowadays, everything is built to maximize efficiency- geometric designs, industrial materials...

Contemporary society really does lack charm and originality.

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[info]hiro_antagonist
2009-10-10 05:55 am UTC (link)
Well, old buildings weren't any more original than the ones we have now, they just tend to knock down the ones that aren't interesting, leading to a survival of the coolest effect heh.

The present may not have the market cornered on shitty, boring buildings, but it does have it cornered on doing more of it than in any other era of history. And it doesn't have to be that way!

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[info]lfslshlps
2009-10-13 06:16 am UTC (link)
I hate the suburbs because not only is everything the same and cookie cut out perfect looking, but it makes you feel that if you live there you have to fit in, or that you aren't perfect enough for the idea your surroundings put forth.

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